What the new Japan guidance says about stopping
The evidence base is thin and the document says so, which is to its credit.
TheCompound Journal
Reporting on incretins, compounding & the peptide supply chain
The gut
Almost every figure in circulation about tolerability comes from six publications. This is what they say.
The Journal has taken the view that the tolerability data in this class is better than its reputation and worse than its usage. It is drawn from large randomised populations with placebo comparison, weekly contact and systematic collection, which puts it well ahead of almost anything in the grey market. It also collapses duration, timing and severity into a single percentage, which is why two people can read the same table and come away with entirely different expectations. This file is an attempt to unpack it.
The pivotal semaglutide obesity trial randomised 1,961 adults to 2.4 mg weekly or placebo for sixty-eight weeks. Gastrointestinal disorders were reported by around seventy-four per cent of the active arm and about forty-eight per cent of placebo. Within that, nausea was reported by roughly forty-four per cent against seventeen per cent, diarrhoea by about thirty-two per cent against sixteen, vomiting by about twenty-five per cent against seven, and constipation by roughly twenty-three per cent against ten.1
Three features of that table are routinely lost. The placebo rates are high, which is what happens when a large population is asked systematically about gut symptoms every few weeks. The events were predominantly graded mild or moderate. And discontinuation attributable to gastrointestinal events ran to about four and a half per cent of the active arm, against under one per cent on placebo.
The gap between three-quarters of participants reporting a gastrointestinal event and four and a half per cent stopping because of one is the most informative thing in the table. Most of this effect profile is endured rather than disabling, and any account that quotes the first figure without the second is describing something other than what happened.
In the seventy-two-week tirzepatide obesity trial, nausea was reported by approximately twenty-five per cent at 5 mg, thirty-three per cent at 10 mg and thirty-one per cent at 15 mg, against about ten per cent on placebo. Diarrhoea ran between nineteen and twenty-three per cent across the dose range against about nine per cent, vomiting between eight and twelve per cent against under two, and constipation between seventeen and eighteen per cent against about six.2
The dose-relationship is present but not monotonic in every term, which is characteristic of adverse-event data at this sample size and a useful reminder that these figures carry confidence intervals nobody prints. Discontinuation for adverse events ran between four and seven per cent across doses against under three per cent on placebo.
Comparing across programmes is a trap. The semaglutide and tirzepatide obesity trials differed in duration, population, escalation schedule and adverse-event collection detail, and the apparent difference in nausea incidence between them is not a clean molecular comparison. The only defensible head-to-head tolerability comparisons in this class come from trials that randomised both molecules, and there are few of them.3
Three-quarters of participants reported a gut symptom. Four and a half per cent stopped because of one. The gap is the story.
On reading the STEP 1 tolerability tableA number in an adverse-event table counts participants who reported at least one episode of a coded term at any point during the treatment period. It says nothing about how many episodes, how long they lasted, or how bad they were beyond a three-level severity grade defined by interference with usual activity.
This construction has predictable consequences. A cumulative figure over sixty-eight weeks is the union of many short episodes and cannot be read as a prevalence. Two populations with identical percentages can have entirely different lived experiences. And severity grading captures function rather than distress, so an episode of severe nausea that did not stop somebody working is graded moderate.
None of this is a criticism of the trials, which followed standard practice and reported it transparently. It is a caution about a specific and common misreading: that a forty-four per cent nausea figure describes a state rather than an event count. The published tolerability analyses that break events down by timing and duration are considerably more informative than the summary tables, and are cited far less often.4
| Event | Placebo | 5 mg | 10 mg | 15 mg |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Nausea | ≈10% | ≈25% | ≈33% | ≈31% |
| Diarrhoea | ≈9% | ≈19% | ≈21% | ≈23% |
| Vomiting | ≈2% | ≈8% | ≈11% | ≈12% |
| Constipation | ≈6% | ≈17% | ≈17% | ≈18% |
| Discontinuation for adverse event | ≈3% | ≈4% | ≈7% | ≈6% |
| Rounded from the primary publication. The dose-relationship is present but not monotonic in every term, which is characteristic of adverse-event data at this sample size. | ||||
Gastrointestinal events in this class are concentrated in the escalation phase. Reported incidence rises in the days following a dose increase, declines over the subsequent weeks at an unchanged dose, and rises again at the next increment. Analyses that plot event onset against week show a series of peaks aligned to the escalation schedule rather than a flat burden across the trial.4
Two things follow. The first is that the escalation phase is where discontinuation risk lives, which means the tolerability problem in this class is largely a titration problem. The second is that a symptom appearing eight months into stable dosing should not be attributed to the drug by default, because that is not where the drug-attributable events cluster.
There is a corollary that patients find useful and are rarely told. The worst week of a given dose is usually the first one. A person who has been unwell for four days after an increase is, on the published pattern, at the point where things typically begin to improve rather than at the beginning of a permanent state. That is a statement about a population and not a promise about an individual, and we put it that way deliberately.
Discontinuation for adverse events ran to roughly four and a half per cent on top-dose semaglutide and between four and seven per cent across the tirzepatide dose range, against one to three per cent on placebo. The great majority of those discontinuations were gastrointestinal and the great majority occurred during escalation.12
Those figures should be read as a floor. Trial participants receive weekly contact, free product, a nurse who can be telephoned, and an investigator with a strong interest in retention, and they are pre-selected by their willingness to enter a trial. Real-world persistence data for this class is markedly worse, with a substantial proportion of people no longer filling prescriptions at twelve months, for reasons that combine tolerability with cost and supply.
The Journal draws one inference. If most intolerance-driven discontinuation happens during escalation, and escalation practice is the least evidence-based part of the treatment course, then the largest available improvement in outcomes in this class is probably not a new molecule. It is a better answer to the titration question, which nobody has run a trial to obtain.5
Nearly every question a person asks about a gastrointestinal symptom on this treatment turns on information that is easy to record and hard to recall. What the current dose is. What date the current dose began. Whether the symptom is better, worse or the same than it was seven days ago. Whether fluids are being kept down. And whether anything else changed in the same week — a new vial, a new supplier, a new medication, an illness.
With that, a clinician can distinguish a first-week escalation effect from something else, can tell whether the trajectory is the expected improving one, and can attribute a change in tolerability to a change in material rather than to the drug. Without it, the consultation runs on recollection, and recollection about nausea is unusually poor.
We make no claim that a diary improves outcomes; that has not been tested and we would be sceptical of a trial claiming it. The narrower claim is that it converts an anecdote into a datum, and a substantial part of what this market believes about tolerability is currently anecdote reported at scale.
Nausea: the sensation preceding or in place of vomiting; a symptom. Vomiting: forceful expulsion of gastric contents; a sign. Retching: the effort without the expulsion. Early satiety: fullness disproportionate to volume consumed. Dyspepsia: upper abdominal discomfort, often used loosely to include all of the above.
Gastroparesis: a clinical diagnosis of delayed gastric emptying with characteristic symptoms and no mechanical obstruction. It is not a synonym for drug-induced emptying delay, and the two are conflated constantly. Ileus: failure of propulsion without mechanical obstruction. Obstruction: mechanical blockage.
Incidence: proportion of a population experiencing at least one event in a period. Prevalence: proportion affected at a point in time. Adverse-event tables report the first and are read as the second. Adjudicated: reviewed against predefined criteria by a committee blinded to treatment, which is a materially stronger standard than a reported term.
If one paragraph of this file survives, we would prefer it to be the one about fluid. The dramatic harms in this area are rare and the mundane one is common: appetite suppression removes the signal that drives drinking, and volume depletion follows quietly. It is prevented by drinking on a schedule rather than on a sensation, and it accounts for the great majority of renal events reported in association with these drugs.
Selected from correspondence received on this article. Writers are identified by initial, surname and city, verified before printing. Replies are from the desk that filed the piece or from the standards editor. Write to letters@compoundjournal.com.
Your figures show diarrhoea at thirty-two per cent and constipation at twenty-three per cent in the same trial arm. I assumed one of these was an error until your mechanism section. It would be worth putting that explanation before the table rather than after it.
— A. Mbeki, Lusaka
I want to push back on the ginger paragraph. You describe the evidence as transferred from pregnancy and chemotherapy, which is accurate, and then include it in the table anyway. Either it belongs or it does not.
— D. Mazzarella, Catania
It belongs, labelled. The table is a map of what is recommended and on what basis, not a list of endorsements, and excluding widely used low-risk measures because their evidence is transferred would make the map less useful rather than more honest. We have made the column heading clearer.
As an anaesthetist I read the perioperative section with interest and one objection. You frame disclosure as the patient obligation. In my experience the failure is more often ours: the pre-assessment questionnaire in my own institution did not include these drugs until eighteen months after the first guidance appeared.
— C. Rautenbach, Pretoria
A fair correction and we have amended the text. If the question is not on the form, the absence of an answer is not a patient failure. We would be interested to hear from readers in other institutions about whether their pre-assessment documentation has caught up.
The gallbladder section says some of the excess is attributable to weight loss rather than the drug. If the drug causes the weight loss, is that not a distinction without a difference for the person who ends up in theatre?
— R. Whitlam, Adelaide, SA
For the individual, largely yes. For the question of whether one molecule is safer than another, or whether the risk would fall on slower loss, the distinction is the whole question. We should have made clear that it is a mechanistic distinction rather than a consoling one.
You note that symptom burden does not predict weight outcome. This is the single most useful sentence I have read about this treatment. I spent four months believing that feeling well meant it was not working and considered increasing my dose on that basis alone.
— P. Kovalenko, Lviv
The folk model that suffering indexes efficacy is widespread and the published analyses do not support it. It is also actively harmful when it drives escalation, which is why we gave it a line in the closing section rather than burying it in the tables.
The evidence base is thin and the document says so, which is to its credit.
The evidence is real, modest, and mostly retrospective. The guidance is correspondingly cautious and has been revised toward individualisation.
Escalation beyond the label is common in this market. Reporting that it happens is not the same as reporting that it works.
The panel drawn during a week of vomiting is measuring the vomiting.
The mechanism is well described. The variance is not.
The mechanism is well described. The variance is not.