Background rates, and why they matter for attribution
Rapid weight loss by any means raises gallstone risk. Separating that from a direct drug effect requires a comparator, and the trials have one.
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Schedules
What the trials measured was continuation against withdrawal. What patients want to know is continuation at a lower dose, and that study has largely not been done.
Ask what the lowest dose that maintains a result is, and the literature goes quiet. The withdrawal-design trials answer a different question: they compare continuing at the achieved dose against stopping, and they answer it emphatically in favour of continuing. The intermediate case — continue at half the dose, or at the same dose every other week — has been examined in small studies and modelled at length and randomised almost not at all. Given that cost is the commonest reason for discontinuation, this is an evidence gap with a price attached.
In the sixty-eight-week semaglutide obesity trials, weight reduction decelerated visibly from around week forty and was close to flat by week sixty. Extended follow-up to a hundred and four weeks found the reduction broadly maintained rather than extended, which is the clearest available statement that the plateau is a plateau and not a pause.1
The mechanism is not mysterious. Energy requirement falls with mass. A person who has lost fifteen per cent of body weight requires materially less energy at rest and in movement, and the intake reduction produced by a fixed dose of a fixed drug eventually equals that lower requirement. Balance is restored and weight stops changing. The drug has not weakened; the target has moved.
Two inferences commonly drawn from a plateau are unsupported. The first is that receptors have desensitised — difficult to reconcile with the rapid and near-complete regain observed on withdrawal. The second is that the dose must therefore be increased, which in the trials produced a further step down the flattening dose-response curve rather than a resumption of the earlier slope. The plateau is predictable, is predicted, and is almost never mentioned to anyone before it happens.
The SURMOUNT-1 results are the clearest available illustration of a flattening curve. At seventy-two weeks the mean weight reductions were approximately fifteen per cent at 5 mg, nineteen and a half per cent at 10 mg and twenty-one per cent at 15 mg, against about three per cent on placebo.2 The step from 5 mg to 10 mg bought roughly four and a half percentage points; the step from 10 mg to 15 mg bought roughly one and a half.
Set against that, gastrointestinal adverse events and discontinuation for adverse events both rose across the dose range. The question of whether the top rung is worth climbing is therefore a genuine trade-off rather than a formality, and it will have different answers for different people.
The Journal has no view on where any individual should stop. We have a strong view on how the question should be framed: not as whether to reach the maximum, but as what the next increment is expected to add and what it is expected to cost. Framed that way, a decision to remain at an intermediate dose is a defensible reading of the dose-response data rather than a compromise.
The escalation table is not a finding. It is an administrative decision that survived into a label.
On how dose schedules are madeTwo trials in this class were built specifically to answer what happens when treatment stops. In the semaglutide programme, participants who had escalated to the top dose over twenty weeks were then randomised to continue or to switch to placebo; those continuing lost a further eight per cent of body weight over the following forty-eight weeks while those withdrawn regained about seven per cent.3 In the tirzepatide programme, a thirty-six-week open-label lead-in was followed by randomised continuation or withdrawal, with the continuation group losing a further five and a half per cent and the withdrawal group regaining approximately fourteen per cent.4
These are among the most informative results in the field and they are frequently over-read. What they establish is that the effect is maintained by continued exposure and reverses without it. What they do not establish, because neither design examined it, is whether a reduced maintenance dose would hold the result. The comparison was full dose against nothing.
Given that cost is the leading reported reason for stopping, a randomised comparison of full-dose against half-dose maintenance would be one of the highest-value trials nobody has run.
| Molecule | Step | Absolute increase | Fold increase |
|---|---|---|---|
| Semaglutide | 0.25 → 0.5 mg | 0.25 mg | 2.00 |
| Semaglutide | 0.5 → 1.0 mg | 0.5 mg | 2.00 |
| Semaglutide | 1.0 → 1.7 mg | 0.7 mg | 1.70 |
| Semaglutide | 1.7 → 2.4 mg | 0.7 mg | 1.41 |
| Tirzepatide | 2.5 → 5 mg | 2.5 mg | 2.00 |
| Tirzepatide | 7.5 → 10 mg | 2.5 mg | 1.33 |
| Tirzepatide | 12.5 → 15 mg | 2.5 mg | 1.20 |
| Identical absolute increments produce steadily smaller proportional increases as the ladder rises. Exposure-response depends on the ratio, which is why the lower rungs are the demanding ones. | |||
Practices described to us include remaining at the dose that produced the result, reducing by one rung after target is reached, extending the interval to ten or fourteen days, and stopping entirely with a plan to resume on regain. The first is what the trials tested. The others are extrapolations of varying boldness.
The interval-extension approach deserves a specific caution. Because exposure is governed by the ratio of half-life to dosing interval, moving from weekly to fortnightly dosing on a seven-day half-life does not halve average exposure — it reduces it and also converts a fairly smooth concentration profile into a pronounced peak-and-trough cycle. Whether appetite regulation tolerates that oscillation is an empirical question and the answer is not in the literature.
Our position is that maintenance is the largest under-studied decision in the treatment course, that the trials answer continuation against cessation and nothing in between, and that anyone presenting a specific maintenance protocol as evidence-based is overstating what exists. Readers who know of a randomised maintenance-dose comparison we have missed should write to standards@compoundjournal.com.
Three conventions govern the numbers in this file. Weight-change figures are quoted with the estimand named, because the treatment-policy and trial-product analyses in the obesity programmes differ by two to three percentage points and secondary coverage habitually mixes them. Doses are quoted as the weekly amount, not as a pen volume or a unit count, because volume and units depend on concentration and concentration varies. And where a figure derives from a responder analysis rather than a primary endpoint, we say so.
Where we describe practice rather than evidence, the text says so explicitly. A substantial part of what is known about titration in this class is craft knowledge held by clinicians, and reporting it is legitimate journalism. Presenting it as trial data is not.
Nothing in this file is medical advice. The Journal does not recommend doses, schedules, products or suppliers. Several compounds discussed here are sold for research use only and are not approved for human use in any jurisdiction. Decisions about treatment belong with a licensed clinician who has examined the person concerned.
First, the optimal escalation interval. No adequately powered randomised comparison of intervals at a fixed target dose exists for any molecule in this class.
Second, the optimal hold duration for a person who has not adapted at four weeks. Practice ranges from four to twelve weeks on no comparative evidence at all.
Third, the lowest maintenance dose that preserves a result. The withdrawal trials compared full dose with nothing.
Fourth, whether tolerability at one rung predicts tolerability at the next. Clinicians assume it does, plausibly, and the published dose-ranging data is not analysed in a way that answers the question.
Fifth, whether any measurable baseline characteristic predicts the ceiling. Nothing published does so usefully, which mirrors the situation for efficacy: mean behaviour in this class is well characterised and individual variation is not.5
The Journal lists these not as a complaint about researchers but as a map of where confident advice is currently outrunning its evidence. Anyone offering a precise answer to any of the five is offering an opinion, and should be read as doing so.
The Journal ends where the evidence does. Escalation intervals in this class rest on a kinetic argument that is sound and on a randomised comparison that does not exist. Dose holding rests on a documented adaptation and on clinical consensus. Maintenance rests on two withdrawal trials that answered a narrower question than the one readers ask. None of that makes the current practice wrong; it makes it provisional, and provisional practice deserves to be described as such rather than printed as a table.
Selected from correspondence received on this article. Writers are identified by initial, surname and city, verified before printing. Replies are from the desk that filed the piece or from the standards editor. Write to letters@compoundjournal.com.
Thank you for saying plainly that the maximum dose is not the goal. I stopped at 10 mg fourteen months ago because it was working and I was tired of arguing about it. Every article I read before yours implied I had given up early.
— S. Rajapaksa, Colombo
I want to object to the framing of dose reduction as measurement. In practice it is experienced as failure, and telling people it is a thermostat does not change how the appointment feels. The language problem is real and you have solved it rhetorically rather than actually.
— S. Grootveld, Rotterdam
A fair hit. We can describe the pharmacology accurately and still be writing at a distance from how the decision lands, and the paragraph you object to does both. The reframing is offered as a corrective to a stigma, not as a claim that the stigma is imaginary.
Your residual-exposure table gives six per cent after four weeks. I calculate 6.25 per cent, which is a quibble, but the larger point is that it assumes steady state at the moment of interruption. Someone who stops three weeks into a new rung has less on board than your table implies.
— E. Adamou, Nicosia
Correct on both counts, and the table now carries the steady-state assumption explicitly. Your second point is the more useful one: interrupting mid-escalation clears faster than interrupting from a settled dose, and the practical reading of the table should be adjusted accordingly.
As a prescribing pharmacist I would add one thing about re-titration. The commonest problem I see is not the resumption dose. It is that the patient has a pen left over at the old strength and uses it because it is in the fridge and it cost money. The clinical decision and the economic decision are not the same decision.
— G. Kalinowski, Poznań
Well put, and we had not written it down. The cost of discarding partially used material is a real input into dosing behaviour in a market where much of the spend is out of pocket, and it deserves treatment in The Ledger rather than a sentence here.
A small thing. You give the semaglutide diabetes ladder as ending at 2.0 mg and the weight ladder at 2.4 mg, without explaining why the same molecule has two ceilings for two indications. It looks arbitrary and I suspect it is not.
— H. Nakagawa, Fukuoka
It is not arbitrary — the two maxima come from separate dose-selection programmes with different primary endpoints, and 2.0 mg was established against 1.0 mg in a dedicated glycaemic comparison. We have added a clause. The underlying point, that indication shapes the ladder as much as the molecule does, is worth more space than we gave it.
Rapid weight loss by any means raises gallstone risk. Separating that from a direct drug effect requires a comparator, and the trials have one.
The evidence on stopping is better than the evidence on almost anything else in this field, because somebody deliberately randomised it.
The glucagon arm raises energy expenditure and also raises hepatic glucose output. Balancing those is the whole engineering problem.
We have catalogued what readers report, ranked by the size of the dosing error each produces.
Dietary measures are widely recommended, plausible on mechanism, and supported mainly by observational data and clinical experience.
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