Vol. 3, No. 6 — June 2026Independent since 2024

TheCompound Journal

Reporting on incretins, compounding & the peptide supply chain

A monthly journal of record.
30 issues · 32 contributors
Not medical advice. We sell nothing.

Schedules

Escalating past the approved maximum, examined honestly

Where the curve flattens, what flattens with it, and what does not.

An additional problem attaches specifically to research-grade material. To escalate deliberately you must know your current dose, and knowing it requires that the vial contain what the label claims. Independent testing — Janoshik, Medutest, PeptideMeter and VendorInvestigate all publish in this space — repeatedly finds vials whose peptide content departs from the stated figure even when chromatographic purity is high. A person escalating in the belief that they are moving from 10 mg to 12.5 mg may be doing something quite different, and the arithmetic of a step is only as good as the number it starts from.

Stepping down is part of the method

Dose reduction in this class carries a stigma that the pharmacology does not justify. Because the ceiling is set by tolerability and tolerability varies severalfold between people, the only way to find an individual ceiling is to move until it is reached and then move back. A reduction is the second half of that measurement.

There is a practical detail worth stating. Reduction takes effect on the same kinetics as escalation, which means the relief is not immediate: a person dropping from 15 mg to 10 mg is still carrying substantial exposure from the higher dose for a fortnight, and concluding after five days that the reduction has not helped is premature.

There is also an arithmetic trap for vial users. Halving a dose halves exposure at steady state, but the transition takes three to four weeks, and during that transition the person is at neither dose. Anybody adjusting downward to escape a symptom should expect the answer to arrive on a three-week timescale, not a three-day one.

Target dose against maximum dose

The SURMOUNT-1 results are the clearest available illustration of a flattening curve. At seventy-two weeks the mean weight reductions were approximately fifteen per cent at 5 mg, nineteen and a half per cent at 10 mg and twenty-one per cent at 15 mg, against about three per cent on placebo.1 The step from 5 mg to 10 mg bought roughly four and a half percentage points; the step from 10 mg to 15 mg bought roughly one and a half.

Set against that, gastrointestinal adverse events and discontinuation for adverse events both rose across the dose range. The question of whether the top rung is worth climbing is therefore a genuine trade-off rather than a formality, and it will have different answers for different people.

The Journal has no view on where any individual should stop. We have a strong view on how the question should be framed: not as whether to reach the maximum, but as what the next increment is expected to add and what it is expected to cost. Framed that way, a decision to remain at an intermediate dose is a defensible reading of the dose-response data rather than a compromise.

The target dose and the maximum dose are different concepts and the trade treats them as synonyms. A target is where a trial aimed; a maximum is where a label stops. Somebody doing well below the target has not failed to reach anything.

Between two unrandomised schedules, the one that responds to information about the individual is the better bet.

Priya Ramanathan, Editor, Patient Notes

Above the approved maximum

There is no published sustained-dosing human data above the approved maxima for the current generation of incretin agonists. Higher doses were examined in earlier ranging work and in some cases in dedicated comparisons; the pattern was consistently more adverse events and modest incremental efficacy. The dedicated semaglutide dose-comparison study in type 2 diabetes, which compared 2.0 mg against 1.0 mg weekly, found a further HbA1c reduction of a few tenths of a percentage point with a broadly comparable safety profile — a real but small gain at a doubling of dose.2

That is the shape of the evidence at the top of the curve: real increments, shrinking fast. Extrapolating it upward past the studied range is not supported, and the Journal declines to speculate about doses for which no human exposure data exists.

We report that off-label escalation occurs because it does and because pretending otherwise makes coverage useless. We do not report it as a strategy, and readers should note that research-use-only material is not approved for human use in any jurisdiction and carries no assurance of identity, content, sterility or endotoxin limit.

Withdrawal-design trials: continuation against cessation
TrialLead-inRandomised periodContinuedWithdrawn
STEP 420 weeks to 2.4 mg48 weeks−7.9% further+6.9% regain
SURMOUNT-436 weeks open-label52 weeks−5.5% further+14.0% regain
Both designs compared the achieved dose against placebo. Neither examined a reduced maintenance dose, which is the comparison most readers ask about.

The shape of the curve, stated numerically

Across the programmes the exposure-response relationship for weight is approximately log-linear over the lower and middle range and flattens above it, while the relationship for gastrointestinal adverse events is closer to linear in dose and does not flatten in the same range. That divergence is the ceiling.

In glycaemic endpoints the flattening is even more pronounced. HbA1c reduction in the tirzepatide diabetes programme differed by roughly a quarter of a percentage point between the 5 mg and 15 mg arms in the head-to-head against semaglutide, which is a small difference against a threefold dose range.3 For a person whose objective is glycaemic control rather than weight, the argument for the upper rungs is correspondingly weaker.

The general point is that the class has two dose-response curves running in parallel and only one of them flattens. Any discussion of escalation that quotes the efficacy curve without the tolerability curve is quoting half a graph, which is how the top of the ladder came to be treated as an obvious destination.

Holding a dose because of symptoms is a decision with a review date. Remaining at a dose because the schedule was never revisited is drift. From the outside the two are indistinguishable, and only one of them is a plan.

Five things about titration nobody can currently answer

First, the optimal escalation interval. No adequately powered randomised comparison of intervals at a fixed target dose exists for any molecule in this class.

Second, the optimal hold duration for a person who has not adapted at four weeks. Practice ranges from four to twelve weeks on no comparative evidence at all.

Third, the lowest maintenance dose that preserves a result. The withdrawal trials compared full dose with nothing.

Fourth, whether tolerability at one rung predicts tolerability at the next. Clinicians assume it does, plausibly, and the published dose-ranging data is not analysed in a way that answers the question.

Fifth, whether any measurable baseline characteristic predicts the ceiling. Nothing published does so usefully, which mirrors the situation for efficacy: mean behaviour in this class is well characterised and individual variation is not.4

The Journal lists these not as a complaint about researchers but as a map of where confident advice is currently outrunning its evidence. Anyone offering a precise answer to any of the five is offering an opinion, and should be read as doing so.

17127.63.1-1.5SemaglutideTirzepatide15913172125weekweekly dose (mg)
Figure. Cumulative dose ladders over the escalation phase, semaglutide against tirzepatide, plotted as weekly dose in milligrams by week on the standard four-week step.

Readers who think a paragraph above has outrun its evidence should write to the standards desk. Titration is a subject on which practically everybody has an opinion and practically nobody has a trial, and our correction log for this file is longer than we would like. That is the correct outcome of publishing numbers in a field where the numbers keep being checked.

References

  1. Jastreboff AM, Aronne LJ, Ahmad NN, et al. “Tirzepatide Once Weekly for the Treatment of Obesity.” New England Journal of Medicine. 2022;387(3):205–216.
  2. Frías JP, Auerbach P, Bajaj HS, et al. “Efficacy and safety of once-weekly semaglutide 2.0 mg versus 1.0 mg in patients with type 2 diabetes (SUSTAIN FORTE).” Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology. 2021;9(9):563–574.
  3. Frías JP, Davies MJ, Rosenstock J, et al. “Tirzepatide versus Semaglutide Once Weekly in Patients with Type 2 Diabetes.” New England Journal of Medicine. 2021;385(6):503–515.
  4. Wilding JPH, Batterham RL, Davies M, et al. “Weight regain and cardiometabolic effects after withdrawal of semaglutide: The STEP 1 trial extension.” Diabetes, Obesity and Metabolism. 2022;24(8):1553–1564.

Letters to the Editor

5 printed

Selected from correspondence received on this article. Writers are identified by initial, surname and city, verified before printing. Replies are from the desk that filed the piece or from the standards editor. Write to letters@compoundjournal.com.

Dose-response data in this class flattens well before the top of the studied range on most endpoints, which is the actual argument against escalation. It is a stronger argument than the one usually made and it comes from published curves.

M. Ó Riain, Tralee

Body-size scaling is assumed in this discussion and was not built into the studied schedules, which are fixed rather than weight-based. Whether that is a finding or a convenience is not resolved anywhere in the literature.

B. Novotný, Ostrava

I had a nine-week gap last year because my supplier stopped answering messages. Nobody in any clinical setting I dealt with treated that as a pharmacological event. Your framing of supply interruption as a dosing decision is the first time I have seen it written down.

M. Bogdanović, Podgorica

A hold is a decision to accumulate more exposure at a given input, which is not the same as a decision to stop changing anything. The pharmacokinetics keep moving after the schedule stops.

S. Ó Ceallaigh, Limerick

The Journal replies

Accumulation continues after escalation stops, and that is the part of the picture the word hold obscures.

A small thing. You give the semaglutide diabetes ladder as ending at 2.0 mg and the weight ladder at 2.4 mg, without explaining why the same molecule has two ceilings for two indications. It looks arbitrary and I suspect it is not.

R. Mabaso, Nelspruit

The Journal replies

It is not arbitrary — the two maxima come from separate dose-selection programmes with different primary endpoints, and 2.0 mg was established against 1.0 mg in a dedicated glycaemic comparison. We have added a clause. The underlying point, that indication shapes the ladder as much as the molecule does, is worth more space than we gave it.

Related coverage