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TheCompound Journal
Reporting on incretins, compounding & the peptide supply chain
Discontinuation
A supply interruption is a discontinuation with no notice, no taper and no plan. That is a distinct clinical situation.
The withdrawal trials tested planned, supervised, abrupt discontinuation in people who wanted to be in a trial. Almost nobody in the real world stops that way. They stop because a prior authorisation lapsed, because a formulary excluded the product, because the cash price rose, because the pharmacy had nothing to dispense, because a compounded preparation became unavailable when a shortage listing was resolved, or because the side effects were not worth the benefit. Each of those routes produces a different clinical situation, and the trials illuminate only the last one.
SURMOUNT-4 applied the same architecture to tirzepatide with a longer lead-in. Participants escalated over thirty-six weeks of open-label treatment to their maximum tolerated dose of 10 or 15 mg weekly, achieving a mean reduction of approximately 20.9 per cent, and were then randomised one to one to continue or to switch to placebo for fifty-two weeks.1
Continuation produced a further mean reduction of about 5.5 per cent, for a total near 25.3 per cent at week 88. Withdrawal produced a mean regain of about 14 per cent of body weight, leaving that arm approximately 9.9 per cent below original baseline. The between-arm difference of roughly fifteen percentage points is similar in magnitude to STEP 4 despite the much larger initial loss.
The steeper regain in absolute terms is the expected consequence of a larger loss rather than evidence of anything peculiar to the agent. It is nonetheless the figure most often quoted without its denominator, and a fourteen-point regain from a twenty-one-point loss is a materially different statement from a fourteen-point regain from a ten-point loss. Both arms in this trial ended below where they began, and the arm that stopped ended roughly where the continued arm of the semaglutide programme did.
The parent programmes establish the losses from which the withdrawal arms fall: approximately 14.9 per cent at sixty-eight weeks for semaglutide 2.4 mg in adults without diabetes, approximately 20.9 per cent at seventy-two weeks for tirzepatide 15 mg, and — the only continuous two-year comparator anybody has — approximately 15.2 per cent sustained at week 104 with treatment maintained throughout.23
Read together, the withdrawal evidence supports four statements and does not support a fifth. Regain begins promptly after cessation, within weeks rather than months. It proceeds at a decelerating rate, with the steepest portion in the first three to six months. It does not, within twelve months of follow-up, return participants fully to their original baseline; residual reductions of roughly five to ten per cent persist at one year in all three datasets. And continued treatment maintains and usually extends the loss, with the extension diminishing as the plateau is approached.
The statement not supported is that the drugs cause weight regain, or that stopping leaves a person worse off than never having started. Nothing in these datasets shows overshoot above the original baseline at a group level. Every arm that stopped remained below where it began at the end of follow-up.
The Journal makes this point repeatedly because the contrary claim circulates widely and is often accompanied by a mechanistic story about metabolic damage. The withdrawal trials are the direct test of that claim and they do not support it. What they do support is the unremarkable proposition that a treatment for a chronic condition works while it is being taken.
Every withdrawal trial compared a full dose against nothing. The comparison almost every patient actually faces has never been randomised.
On the maintenance gapThe homeostatic response to weight loss was characterised in a study that predates this drug class and remains the clearest account of it. After a substantial diet-induced reduction, circulating leptin fell and remained suppressed, ghrelin rose and remained elevated, satiety hormones including peptide YY and cholecystokinin fell, and subjective hunger was significantly greater than baseline — and all of these persisted at twelve months, long after active dieting had ended.4
Alongside the hormonal changes sits a reduction in resting energy expenditure larger than the loss of metabolically active tissue predicts, an effect usually termed adaptive thermogenesis. Its magnitude and persistence are contested, but in the most extreme documented cohort — participants in a televised competitive weight-loss programme followed for six years — resting metabolic rate remained substantially suppressed relative to prediction long after most of the weight had returned.5
Both findings explain regain after drug withdrawal without invoking anything specific to incretins. A drug that suppresses appetite is holding a system away from a defended state. Remove the drug and the system, which has been signalling for restoration throughout, gets what it has been asking for. That is not a drug effect; it is the condition the drug was treating becoming visible again.
| Time since last dose | Approx. residual exposure | What is measurable |
|---|---|---|
| 1 week | ≈50% | Little change in appetite reported |
| 2 weeks | ≈25% | Appetite return commonly reported; fasting glucose rising |
| 4 weeks | ≈3–6% | Gastric emptying normalised; tolerability reset |
| 8 weeks | <1% | Weight trajectory established; HbA1c partially reflects change |
| 12 weeks | nil | HbA1c reflects the post-cessation period |
| Residual exposure assumes a 7-day half-life and first-order elimination. The observations in the third column are drawn from trial reports and correspondence and are not measurements from a single study. | ||
Mean regain trajectories conceal a distribution as wide as the one that characterises the initial response. In the reported withdrawal arms, some participants returned to within a percentage point of their original baseline within a year while others retained most of their loss with no pharmacological support whatever. The interquartile ranges in the published figures are broad, and the trials were not designed to explain them.
Nothing measured at randomisation predicts an individual regain trajectory usefully. Baseline body mass index, the magnitude of the initial loss, age, sex and diabetes status all shift the mean modestly and leave the spread largely intact. The behavioural variables that plausibly matter — what a person was eating and doing during the loss, and whether any of it persisted — were not measured with the granularity required to test them.
This is the same structural gap that runs through the whole field: the mean effects are well characterised and the variance is not. It has a specific practical consequence here. A person deciding whether to stop cannot be given a personal probability of holding their weight, because no such probability has been established, and any source offering one is offering a group mean dressed as a prediction.
This is the most practically consequential item in the whole subject and the one least often stated in advance. Gastrointestinal tolerability to these agents develops over weeks of continued exposure and decays when exposure is removed. After four weeks without the drug, plasma concentrations are a small fraction of steady state and the tolerability accommodation has substantially reset. Resuming at the previous maintenance dose therefore presents the system with an exposure step it has not experienced for a month.
The clinical convention — resume at a lower dose and re-escalate — follows from the pharmacokinetics rather than from caution.6 Product labelling for several agents in the class advises consideration of re-initiation at a lower dose after an extended interruption, and the threshold at which this applies differs between products, which is a detail worth checking against the specific label rather than a general rule.
The shortage period demonstrated the consequence of ignoring this at scale. Large numbers of people lost access for six to ten weeks, resumed where they had left off, and experienced nausea and vomiting considerably worse than during their original escalation. It was predictable, it was predicted by anybody who had read the label carefully, and it was almost never communicated.
Analyses of pharmacy claims consistently find that persistence with these agents for weight management is poor relative to their efficacy, with a large minority of people no longer filling prescriptions within a year of starting and discontinuation concentrated in the first three months.7 The pattern tracks coverage, deductible reset timing and cash price far more closely than it tracks clinical response, which is the signature of an economic rather than a therapeutic discontinuation.
Almost none of this appears in the clinical literature on withdrawal. The trials studied people who stopped because a protocol told them to, with the drug supplied free, in a population willing to be randomised. That is close to the opposite of the situation in which most discontinuation actually occurs: unplanned, unsupervised, at a time set by an insurer or a price rise rather than by a clinical assessment, and frequently without anybody being told it has happened.
The Journal reports discontinuation in both this department and The Ledger for that reason. The clinical trajectory after stopping is a Patient Notes question; why people stop is an economics question; and the two literatures currently do not speak to one another at all.
A supply gap is a discontinuation with no notice, no plan and no taper. It differs from every other route to stopping in that it is imposed on both the patient and the prescriber, its duration is unknown at the outset, and it frequently ends as abruptly as it began. The shortage listings of recent years produced these events at population scale, and they have not been studied as a clinical exposure.
Three features make them distinctive. The patient cannot plan a maintenance strategy around an interruption of unknown length. Substitution — to a different agent, a different dose, or a compounded preparation — happens under time pressure and often without a dose-equivalence basis, since no head-to-head equivalence data exists between agents in this class. And the resumption problem described above applies in full, because the gaps were typically long enough to reset tolerability.
The Journal reported these events as they occurred and continues to think they represent the largest uncontrolled interruption experiment in the history of the class. What nobody collected was outcome data: how much weight was regained during the gaps, how many people never resumed, and what happened to the glycaemic control of those taking the drugs for diabetes rather than for weight.
That a treatment for a chronic condition stops working when it is stopped is not a finding about the treatment. It is a finding about the condition.
On how the withdrawal trials were receivedThe withdrawal question changes shape when the drug was prescribed for something other than weight. In the cardiovascular outcome trial of semaglutide in overweight and obesity without diabetes, the reduction in major adverse cardiovascular events emerged over years of continued treatment, and the trial provides no information about what happens to that benefit on cessation.8 The same applies to the renal outcome data in chronic kidney disease with type 2 diabetes, where the effect on kidney disease progression was measured over a median of several years of treatment.9
There is no reason to expect an outcome benefit that accrues over years to persist after the exposure ends, and no trial has tested it. For a person taking the drug for glycaemic control, stopping has an immediate and measurable consequence in HbA1c over the following three months. For a person taking it for cardiovascular or renal risk, stopping has no measurable short-term consequence at all, which makes the decision harder rather than easier.
This is the situation in which the Journal thinks the withdrawal-trial coverage has done the most damage. Framing discontinuation as a weight question invites a person taking the drug for kidney disease to reason about it in the wrong currency entirely.
Restarting after months away is well tolerated in general and the response is broadly reproducible: people who lost weight on an agent and stopped generally lose weight again on resuming, at a similar rate. There is no established phenomenon of a diminished second response in this class, and the withdrawal trials that re-offered treatment after their observation periods did not report one.
Three practical features recur. Escalation has to start again from a low dose for tolerability reasons, which means several weeks before the previous maintenance exposure is re-established. The nausea of a second escalation is frequently reported as worse than the first, for which the Journal has seen no mechanistic explanation and would not rule out reporting bias. And the weight trajectory on restarting begins from wherever the person now is, so a second course is a longer project than the first if regain was substantial.
None of this constitutes advice about whether to restart, which is a clinical decision. It is offered as a description of what the trial reports and the correspondence describe, and readers should note that no trial has been designed to study re-initiation as its primary question.
Four things accompany every regain number in these pages. Which withdrawal design it comes from, because an off-treatment extension and a randomised placebo switch are different experiments. Whether the lifestyle intervention continued in the arm being described. What the denominator is — regain as a percentage of body weight, as a percentage of the weight lost, or as a final position relative to original baseline, three quantities that are routinely quoted interchangeably. And the follow-up duration, because the regain curve decelerates and a figure at six months is not a figure at a year.
The third of those is where most of the misreporting happens. A statement that participants regained two-thirds is a proportion of loss; a statement that they regained eleven per cent is a proportion of body weight; a statement that they finished 5.6 per cent below baseline is a final position. All three can describe the same arm and they are not interchangeable.
Where a source we are quoting has not stated its denominator, we say that rather than inferring it. Readers who find a regain figure in these pages without its design and its denominator have found an error, and the standards desk would like to hear about it at standards@compoundjournal.com.
This is reporting on a body of trial evidence and it is not advice about whether or how to stop taking a medicine. The decision to discontinue an agent prescribed for glycaemic control, cardiovascular risk or kidney disease is materially different from the decision to discontinue one prescribed for weight, and in every case it belongs with a clinician who has seen the person and knows why the drug was started.
Two further notes. Compounds sold for research use only are not approved for human use in any jurisdiction, and nothing here should be read as guidance about using them or about stopping their use. And where this piece describes what clinicians report doing about maintenance dosing, that is description of practice and not a schedule anybody should adopt from a magazine.
The Journal takes correspondence on this subject at letters@compoundjournal.com and factual challenges at standards@compoundjournal.com. Letters describing a personal experience of stopping are read with attention and are published, where they are published, as accounts rather than as evidence — a distinction this department tries hard to preserve in both directions.
Two practical items follow from the pharmacology rather than from the trials, and only two. An interruption long enough to clear the drug is long enough to reset tolerability, so resumption is a fresh escalation and should be planned as one. And a laboratory panel drawn less than three months after stopping will not yet show the full glycaemic consequence, whatever it turns out to be.
Selected from correspondence received on this article. Writers are identified by initial, surname and city, verified before printing. Replies are from the desk that filed the piece or from the standards editor. Write to letters@compoundjournal.com.
Three months after stopping, my HbA1c had barely moved and I concluded I had got away with it. Six months after stopping, it was back where it started. Your point about the lag is the single most useful sentence I have read on this subject.
— T. Oyelowo, Abeokuta
Your fortnightly arithmetic table is correct but I think it understates the practical point. A fourfold peak-to-trough swing is not merely lower average exposure; it is a different drug experience, with the last few days of each cycle spent at a concentration the person has effectively titrated off.
— S. Bergqvist, Malmö
Well put, and better than our own phrasing. We have adopted the point in the text with attribution to a reader.
I take this for kidney disease, not for weight. Every piece of writing I encounter about stopping is about the weight coming back. It has taken me a year to find anybody willing to say plainly that the renal benefit accrued over years of treatment and nobody has tested what happens if I stop.
— K. Sivertsen, Bergen
Reported from the sessions, and from the two hours afterwards.
A design note rather than a result: what the comparator was, and what that permits you to conclude.
A design note rather than a result: what the comparator was, and what that permits you to conclude.
The rule that a quarter of weight lost is lean tissue has been in textbooks for decades and does not survive close reading.
Efficacy was never the question in this appraisal. Duration of treatment was.
Three randomised withdrawal designs have tested what happens when treatment stops. Their results are consistent and they are consistently misreported.