Grams per kilogram of what? The denominator problem in protein guidance
The denominator matters more than the ratio: per kilogram of body weight, of ideal weight, or of lean mass gives three different targets.
TheCompound Journal
Reporting on incretins, compounding & the peptide supply chain
Stopping
Every withdrawal trial compared full dose against nothing. The clinically interesting comparison — full dose against a reduced one — has not been randomised.
What can be reasoned from the pharmacology is limited but not nothing. Exposure at steady state scales roughly with dose for these agents, and the dose-response curve for weight effect is shallow at the upper end — the increment from the second-highest to the highest dose is consistently smaller than the increments below it. That geometry suggests a reduced maintenance dose would retain most of the effect, which is a hypothesis with a mechanism, not a result. Nobody has randomised it, so nobody knows the shape of the curve on the way back down, and hysteresis is entirely possible.
STEP 4 is the cleanest test of continuation in the semaglutide programme. All participants took semaglutide through a twenty-week escalation to 2.4 mg weekly, achieving a mean reduction of approximately 10.6 per cent. They were then randomised two to one to continue semaglutide or to switch to placebo for a further forty-eight weeks, with lifestyle support maintained in both arms.1
Those who continued lost a further 7.9 per cent, reaching roughly 17.4 per cent below their original baseline at week 68. Those switched to placebo regained approximately 6.9 per cent, ending near 5 per cent below baseline. The between-group difference of about fifteen percentage points is the effect of continuing treatment for a year, measured in a population that had already demonstrated a response.
The design detail that matters most is that lifestyle support continued in the placebo arm. This is not a comparison of drug against nothing; it is a comparison of drug plus support against support alone, in people who had lost weight on the drug. The regain observed is therefore what happens with the behavioural intervention still running, which makes it a more conservative estimate of the drug contribution rather than a less one.
Set the three withdrawal trials side by side and a conspicuous absence appears. All three compared a full maintenance dose against placebo. None compared a full dose against a reduced one. The comparison that the great majority of successfully treated people actually face — can I take less of this and hold what I have — has not been randomised at any dose, in any programme, for any agent in this class.
The commercial explanation is straightforward and the Journal states it without much comment: a trial demonstrating that a third of the dose maintains most of the effect would reduce the revenue per treated patient by roughly the same fraction, and sponsors are not obliged to run trials against their own interest. The regulatory explanation is that maintenance dosing falls outside the approved label question, which is whether the product is effective at the studied dose.
The result is that an enormous amount of clinical practice is being conducted on inference. What can be inferred is that the dose-response curve for weight effect flattens at the top of the range, which suggests a step down would cost less than proportionally. Whether the curve is the same shape descending as ascending is unknown, and hysteresis in either direction would not be surprising.
It is worth noting what the one head-to-head weight trial in this class did and did not do. It compared two agents at their respective licensed doses and reported the difference in weight outcome; it did not establish dose equivalence between them, and it cannot be used to convert a maintenance dose of one into a maintenance dose of the other.2 Pharmacies asked to substitute during the shortage period had no equivalence basis to work from, whatever the conversion tables in circulation implied.
Every withdrawal trial compared a full dose against nothing. The comparison almost every patient actually faces has never been randomised.
On the maintenance gapThe Journal has asked clinicians in four jurisdictions how they manage maintenance and received a broadly consistent description that appears in no guideline. Reduce by one escalation step once the weight has been stable for a period; hold for eight to twelve weeks, which is long enough for the new exposure to reach steady state and for a trend to become visible; if the weight rises by more than a small threshold, return to the previous step. Some reduce again after a further stable interval; most do not go below the second step.
Two things recommend this approach and neither is evidence. It follows the pharmacokinetics, in that eight to twelve weeks is comfortably longer than the four to five weeks required to reach steady state at the new dose, so the observation is not being made on a still-changing exposure. And it is reversible, which a decision to stop is not in the same easy way.
The Journal reports this as description, not endorsement. It is not a dosing recommendation, no trial supports it, and the appropriate person to design a maintenance strategy is a clinician who knows the patient. We report it because a practice this widespread deserves to be described accurately rather than left to circulate in fragments.
| Study and arm | At randomisation | At end of follow-up | Change during follow-up |
|---|---|---|---|
| STEP 4, continued semaglutide | −10.6% | −17.4% | −7.9% |
| STEP 4, switched to placebo | −10.6% | ≈ −5% | +6.9% |
| SURMOUNT-4, continued tirzepatide | −20.9% | −25.3% | −5.5% |
| SURMOUNT-4, switched to placebo | −20.9% | −9.9% | +14.0% |
| STEP 1 extension, former semaglutide | −17.3% at wk 68 | −5.6% at wk 120 | ≈ +11.6% |
| All values are percentage change from original trial baseline, treatment-policy estimand where reported. The STEP 1 extension figure is an off-treatment observation in a subset and is not comparable with the randomised rows above it. | |||
Restarting after months away is well tolerated in general and the response is broadly reproducible: people who lost weight on an agent and stopped generally lose weight again on resuming, at a similar rate. There is no established phenomenon of a diminished second response in this class, and the withdrawal trials that re-offered treatment after their observation periods did not report one.
Three practical features recur. Escalation has to start again from a low dose for tolerability reasons, which means several weeks before the previous maintenance exposure is re-established. The nausea of a second escalation is frequently reported as worse than the first, for which the Journal has seen no mechanistic explanation and would not rule out reporting bias. And the weight trajectory on restarting begins from wherever the person now is, so a second course is a longer project than the first if regain was substantial.
None of this constitutes advice about whether to restart, which is a clinical decision. It is offered as a description of what the trial reports and the correspondence describe, and readers should note that no trial has been designed to study re-initiation as its primary question.
The Journal’s position is that three trials would resolve almost everything currently argued about in this area, and that all three are straightforward. The first is a dose-reduction design: after a lead-in to target, randomise to full dose, one step down, two steps down, or placebo, and follow for a year with weight as the primary endpoint. It would establish the shape of the descending dose-response curve and would cost a fraction of a pivotal programme.
The second is an interval design: after a lead-in, randomise to weekly, fortnightly and three-weekly administration at the same nominal dose. It would answer the intermittent-schedule question directly and would settle whether the exposure pattern matters independently of average exposure.
The third is a taper design: randomise abrupt cessation against a stepped reduction over twelve weeks, with appetite, eating behaviour and weight measured for a year afterwards. It would test the only argument for tapering that is worth testing.
None of the three is under way as far as the Journal can establish. Readers who know otherwise should write to letters@compoundjournal.com; a registered protocol for any of them would be news in this department.
Two practical items follow from the pharmacology rather than from the trials, and only two. An interruption long enough to clear the drug is long enough to reset tolerability, so resumption is a fresh escalation and should be planned as one. And a laboratory panel drawn less than three months after stopping will not yet show the full glycaemic consequence, whatever it turns out to be.
The denominator matters more than the ratio: per kilogram of body weight, of ideal weight, or of lean mass gives three different targets.
Reported from the sessions, and from the two hours afterwards.
Reported from the sessions, and from the two hours afterwards.
A design note rather than a result: what the comparator was, and what that permits you to conclude.
The evidence base is thin and the document says so, which is to its credit.
The gap between a defensible recommendation and a confident one is where most of the harm in this subject lives.